View Full Version : can someone tell who and where ahle hadith started
anyone know more about them because i never hear about them until i moved to brum. what are they all about, who are they, where it all started.
Umm Layth
24-01-05, 04:07 PM
As far as I know in the early days when theories of Usul were being developed there were two school Ahlul Ra'i and Ahlul Hadith. The first was ascribed to Imam Abu Hanifah and latter to Imam ash-Shafi. Those were the early days.
As Salafee
24-01-05, 06:27 PM
innal hamdulilaah wa salaatu wa salam alaa nabiyyina muhamed salalahu alaihi wa salam wa ashabal ajma'een wa ba'ad:
akhee, markaz jamiyyah ahlul hadeeth from birmingham UK has three heads, each one of them accusing the other of hypocrisy. they are suhayb hasan, abdul hadee al umari, and hafidullah khan.
the brothers at salafipublications have done a series against their falsehood and the deviance contained within them.it has been serialised at www.salafitalk.net. May Allaah reward them.
1) Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK Support Democracy And Attribute It To Islaam. The "Head" Of Markaz Jamiat Ahle-Hadith, Abdul-Hadi Umari, Gives Fatwa That Democracy Is Supported By The Sharee'ah & One Is Sinful If He Does Not Vote, Thereby Someone Corrupt Is Elected!!
proof: http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_ElectionFatwa2004.jpg
2) Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK DEMAND Democracy Be Restored In Algeria.
They Demand FIS, Islamic Salvation Front (Takfeeree Algerian Group) To Be Given Authority
3) Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK Invite Heads Of Innovated Groups To Deliver Lectures At Their 16th Annual Conference.
From Those Invited:
1. Head Of Islamic Foundation - Followers Of Abul-Aala Mawdoodee.
2. SM Darsh - Soofee, Ash'aree - Islamic Sharee'ah Council.
And others...
proof: http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_16thConf.jpg
4) "Head/Ameer" Of Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK Praises & Exalts The Knowledge Of:
(i). Founder Of The Brelewee Soofee Cult.
(ii). Syed Abul-Aala Mawdoodee
(iii). Scholar Of The Deobandee Hanafee Deviant Sect.
The link below is to an Urdu lecture that Abdul-Hadee Al-Umaree (Ameer of the 'Jamiat') delivered on a Radio Station in Birmingham, UK, in the month of Ramadaan. This program reaches out to tens and thousands of Muslims! He states that Ahmad Ridhaa Brelewee (the one who called openly to major Shirk and major Kufr), Shabeer Ahmad Uthmaanee Ad-Deobandee, Syed Abul-Aala Mawdoodee are great scholars who have provided a great service to Islaam - he praises them over and over again, to the point of exageration! Not even mentioning a single point of criticism of them or their sects! He does not once mention Shaykh Ibn Baaz, Shaykh Al-Albaanee, Ibn Al-Uthaymeen or the scholars of this time.
Click BELOW to hear the proof:
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AbdulHadiPraisingInnovatorsMP3a.mp3
As Salafee
24-01-05, 06:28 PM
5) Suhayb Hasan Of Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK Attacks The Scholars Of Salafiyyah And Shaykh Rabee' In Specific.
The link below is to an English lecture that was delivered by Suhayb Hasan in which he vehemently attacks Shaykh Rabee' Bin Haadee. He states that people should listen to the refutations of the deviant Ash-Shaayijee against the noble Shaykh Rabee' Bin Haadee. He also contends the detailed refutations of Shaykh Rabee' upon Abdur-Rahmaan Abdul-Khaaliq of Jam'iyyah Ihyaa Turaath Al-Islaamee. He also claims to be a contemporary of Shaykh Rabee'!!
Click BELOW to hear the proof:
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/uploads/SuhaibHasanAttacksScholarsMP3a.mp3
Suhayb Hasan has been refuted by Al-Allaamah Muqbil Bin Haadee al-Waadi'ee on tape. That tape is available from SalafiBookstore.com
As Salafee
24-01-05, 06:29 PM
6) Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK Clearly State That They Are With The Kuwaiti Jam'iyyah Ihyaa Turaath Al-Islaamee
In an interview with al-Furqaan Magazine (in Arabic), a head of the 'jamiat ahl-e-hadith' states that it is obligatory to co-operate with the Jam'iyyah Ihyaa Turaath Al-Islaamee.
This Ihyaa Turaath has been refutated in detail by many scholars including Shaykh Muqbil bin Haadee, Shaykh 'Ubayd Al-Jaabiree, Shaykh Ahmad Subaa'ee etc. These tapes are available from Salafi Publications.
Click BELOW to see the proof from Al-Furqaan Magazine of Kuwait:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_FurqanIhyaTurath.jpg
As Salafee
24-01-05, 06:31 PM
7) Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK Visit House Of Lords (Parliament); Mixing With Shee'ah In The Name Of Politics; Taking Part In Open Photo Opportunities With Kufaar & Shee'ah
In the photos attached from a local Newspaper it is apparent that the heads of the 'Jamiat' are posing for photos along with some very unsavioury characters. From those present were representatives from the Raafidah Shi'ah seen alongside Abdul-Haadee sipping drinks. You can see in the attached newspaper clipping, Abdul-Haadee Umaree ("Ameer"), Sher Khaan Jameel (Imaam of Green Lane Mosque) and "Lord" Nadheer Ahmad (a regular speaker/lecturer at Ahl-e-Hadeeth Conferences) and others.
Click BELOW to see the proof from Newspaper cuttings:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_HouseLordsParliament.jpg
as normal, salafee and co argue like a bunch of monkeys while muslims are being slaughtered across the world.
As Salafee
24-01-05, 06:40 PM
8) "Lord" Ahmad Nadheer, A Regular Speaker At The Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadeeth Conferences & Seminars, Builds Bridges With Shee'ah & Visits Iran!
The following two magazine cuttings are shocking. If these incidents narrated were merely narrated to us, we would find them extremely difficult to believe. But see for yourselves!
Click BELOW to see the proof from Newspaper cuttings:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_LordAhmadIran2.jpg
As Salafee
24-01-05, 06:46 PM
"Lord" Ahmad Nadheer In Iran
Click BELOW to see the proof from Newspaper cuttings:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_LordAhmadIran.jpg
AbuMubarak
24-01-05, 06:59 PM
as salaafi
is it me, or do your posts have absolutely nothing to do with the question of the first post?
7) Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith UK Visit House Of Lords (Parliament); Mixing With Shee'ah In The Name Of Politics; Taking Part In Open Photo Opportunities With Kufaar & Shee'ah
In the photos attached from a local Newspaper it is apparent that the heads of the 'Jamiat' are posing for photos along with some very unsavioury characters. From those present were representatives from the Raafidah Shi'ah seen alongside Abdul-Haadee sipping drinks. You can see in the attached newspaper clipping, Abdul-Haadee Umaree ("Ameer"), Sher Khaan Jameel (Imaam of Green Lane Mosque) and "Lord" Nadheer Ahmad (a regular speaker/lecturer at Ahl-e-Hadeeth Conferences) and others.
Click BELOW to see the proof from Newspaper cuttings:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_HouseLordsParliament.jpg
Are u working for CIA or MOSSAAD! How much do u get paid?
Umm Layth
25-01-05, 01:45 PM
as salaafi
is it me, or do your posts have absolutely nothing to do with the question of the first post?
lol i think i m with you, maybe we dont have enough knowledge to understand the depth of what as-salafee is saying :(
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:02 PM
as normal, salafee and co argue like a bunch of monkeys while muslims are being slaughtered across the world.
and why are muslims suffering, because we have abandoned the correct aqeedah and are on a path other than the path of the salaf.
who is there amongst you that forbids the evil. it is only ahlus sunnah, the salafiyeen who warn agaisnt that which will harm the ummaah. are you calling ppl to the true aqeedah? i dont think so. all u call ppl to is partisanship and "this ruler said this" or in time magazine p.55 it said about this ruler". this is your call , and by Allaah it is not the call of the anbiyyah
and u want to talk to me about splitting. who is it that is aiding the communists, baatinees, baa'athists and the enemies of islam by callign muslim rulers kaffirs and splitting the ranks of the muslimeen.
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:05 PM
8) "Lord" Ahmad Nadheer In Iran
Click BELOW to see the proof from Newspaper cuttings:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_LordAhmadIran.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:06 PM
9) Markaz Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith Publish Booklet Promoting Innovators & Callers To Deviation
A booklet was published in Urdu, English and Arabic and distributed freely in tens of thousands. This book mentions that from the "expert scholars and devoted reformers" are:
"Imaam" Muhammad Abduh
Muhammad Rasheed Ridaa
Hasan Al-Banna
Muhammad Al-Ghazaalee
Muhammad Mutawalli Sha'rawee
Laa hawla wala quwwata illa billaah!
Click BELOW to see the proof from the booklet in Arabic
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_DawahBook.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:09 PM
Al-Imaam Ibn Baaz And The Major Scholars Advise Not To Co-operate With People Of Innovation In The U.K.
The Questioner Is Suhaib Hasan!!
'Shaikh' Suhaib Hasan Abdul-Ghaffaar, hafidhahullaah, head of the 'Noble Quraan Society' in London requested a verdict from the Committee of Major Scholars in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. So the reply was Fatwaa no. 18870 dated 11/6/1417H which corresponds to Wednesday the 23rd of October 1996, and it was signed by: (i) The noble Shaikh and prominent scholar Shaikh Abdul-Azeez ibn Abdullaah ibn Baaz and (ii) Shaikh Abdul-Azeez ibn Abdullaah Aal ash-Shaikh and (iii) Shaikh Saalih ibn Fawzaan al-Fawzaan and (iv) Shaikh Abdullaah ibn Abdur-Rahmaan al-Ghudayaan and (v) Shaikh Bakr ibn Abdullaah Aboo Zayd, hafizahumullaah wa Ayyadahum bifadlihi.
Question:"Based upon the Saying of Allaah, the Most High:
Help you one another in al-Birr and at-Taqwaa, but do not help one another in sin and transgression. Soorah al-Maaidah (5):2
It is said that it is obligatory to co-operate with all of the Islamic Jamaa'ahs, even though they differ with us with regard to methodologies and their way in giving dawah. So Jamaaatut-Tableegh has a way of giving dawah different to the way of the Ikhwaanul-Muslimeen and Hizbut-Tahreer and Jamaaatul-Jihaad and the Salafees. So how is this co-operation to be? And is it restricted for example to joint participation in conferences and gatherings? And what is to be the case when dawah is being given to non-Muslims, since confusion may be caused in the minds of new Muslims by the fact that each Jamaaah from these Jamaaahs will direct them to their own centres and their own scholars, which will confuse them. So how will it be possible to avert this matter?"
The Committee of Major Scholars replied:
"What is obligatory is to co-operate with the Jamaa'ah that proceeds upon the manhaj (methodology) of the Book and the Sunnah and that which the Salaf of the Ummah were upon in calling to the Tawheed of Allaah, the One free of all imperfections, and making worship purely and sincerely for Him, and warning against shirk and innovations and sins, and to advise the Jamaaahs that are contrary to that.
So if they return to what is correct, then they are to be co-operated with. But if they persist upon being contrary then it is obligatory to keep away from them and to adhere to the Book and the Sunnah.
Then co-operation with the Jamaaah that adheres to the manhaj (methodology) of the Book and the Sunnah will be upon everything that is good, righteousness and obedience to Allaah whether gatherings, conferences, lessons or lectures and in everything containing benefit for Islaam and the Muslims."
End
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/CooperationWithGroups.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:11 PM
10) Suhaib Hasan Claims That The Science Jarh wa Ta'deel (Disparaging & Praising) Is Not Applicable In Our Times.
Click BELOW to hear the proof:
http://www.salafiaudio.com/audio/AH_No_JarhWaTadeel.mp3
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:12 PM
Ash-Shaykh Al-Allaamah Al-Muhaddith
Muqbil Bin Haadee Al-Waadi'ee
(rahimahullaah)
Condemns Taking Part In Political Democratic Elections
Question: Are Democratic Elections from the affairs of ijtihaad for which there is no textual proof? And is the one who calls to Democratic Elections regarded as being astray or being sinful?
Answer: The Shaykh begins by stating that the one who calls to entering into elections is regarded as astray and sinful..
Click below for full reply in 'Arabic:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/Sh_Muqbil_Elections_Haraam1.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:16 PM
11) Suhayb Hasan Invites The Deviated Hizbee Adnaan Ar'oor To His Masjid In London For An Intensive Islamic Course!!
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_Adnan_Aroor_SHasan.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:18 PM
12) Suhayb Hasan Delivers Lecture Alongside
The Well-Known Surooree/Qutubee Abu Muntasir.
Their Chosen Lecture Is: "UNITY" !!
Click below for proof:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_Surooree_With_SuhaybHasa.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:24 PM
13) Suhayb Hasan Invited to Deliver Lectures For Ikhwaanee Organisation Alongside Heads Of Deviation:
Raashid Ghanoushi
Dr. Jamaal Badawee
and many more...
Click below for proof:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_RaashidGhanushi_SuhaybHa.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:25 PM
14) Suhayb Hasan's Sharee'ah And Fatwa Council.
With him on the "Sharee'ah Council" we find Soofees, Ash'arees and Ikhwaanees.
Click below for proof:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_ShariahCouncilMembers.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:27 PM
15) Suhayb Hasan's "Sharee'ah Council" has upon it "Scholars" who represent the following Mosques and Sects:
1. Jamia Mosque & Islamic Centre, Birmingham
Soofees/Ikhwaanees
2. Islamic Centre, Didsbury, Manchester
Hamasee/Ikhwaanees
3. Islamic Center, Glasgow
4. Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, UK
!!!
5. Jamia Masjid Hanafiya, Bradford.
Brelewees Soofees
6. UK Islamic Mission
The Jamaa'ah Of Mawdoodee
7. Da'watul-Islam, UK.
8. Muslim World League.
9. London Central Mosque & Islamic Cultural Centre.
10. Muslim Welfare House
Ikhwaanees
Then the statement of this so-called "Sharee'ah Council" goes on to say:
quote:
"The SCHOLARS representing these centres come from all MAJOR SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT among the Sunnis"
So according to Suhayb Hasan and this "Markazi Jamiat Ahl-e-Hadith, UK", the Brelewee Soofees, Ikhwaanul-Muslimoon and the followers of Mawdoodee all are from Ahlus-Sunnah!!
Are these the people you want solving your marital and religious problems? Wallaahul-musta'aan!
Click below for proof:
http://salafitalk.net/st/uploads/AH_WhoTheCouncilRepresents.jpg
As Salafee
25-01-05, 02:28 PM
inshallaah it should become clear who markaz ahle hadeeth are, and the bidah that they call to. May Allaah potect us and you from being around them. ameen
Caramal
25-01-05, 04:15 PM
Jamia Mosque & Islamic Centre, Birmingham
Soofees/Ikhwaanees
where is this place in birmingham?
As Salafee
25-01-05, 04:21 PM
Jamia Mosque & Islamic Centre, Birmingham
Soofees/Ikhwaanees
where is this place in birmingham?
the big mosque in birmingham. central mosque i think its called. wallaahu alem
Saifullah
25-01-05, 05:29 PM
I think this as-Salafee is on duracell batteries!!
He just keeps on posting and posting, sorry cutting and pasting and cutting and pasting ..... where do you get all this material from ?
someone disconnet this guys net!!
Ma'salama, lol :D
and why are muslims suffering, because we have abandoned the correct aqeedah and are on a path other than the path of the salaf.
who is there amongst you that forbids the evil. it is only ahlus sunnah, the salafiyeen who warn agaisnt that which will harm the ummaah. are you calling ppl to the true aqeedah? i dont think so. all u call ppl to is partisanship and "this ruler said this" or in time magazine p.55 it said about this ruler". this is your call , and by Allaah it is not the call of the anbiyyah
and u want to talk to me about splitting. who is it that is aiding the communists, baatinees, baa'athists and the enemies of islam by callign muslim rulers kaffirs and splitting the ranks of the muslimeen. all you guys do is talk and argue causing further disunity in the ranks of the muslims.
you are spose to be scholars, so i can understand your constant arguments but instead of trying to unite muslims you call them names and form sects.
the labels you use, "salafi, wahabi, deobandi".
do you know how much the saudis and their scholars are hated by muslims?
when one hears of them, you also hear "useless", "lazy", "greedy".
out of all the wealth you have, what good for the muslims have you created?
all you guys do is talk and argue causing further disunity in the ranks of the muslims.
you are spose to be scholars, so i can understand your constant arguments but instead of trying to unite muslims you call them names and form sects.
the labels you use, "salafi, wahabi, deobandi".
do you know how much the saudis and their scholars are hated by muslims?
when one hears of them, you also hear "useless", "lazy", "greedy".
out of all the wealth you have, what good for the muslims have you created?
i think youve touched a topic that bro salafee like haha
Brother_Daniel
25-01-05, 06:45 PM
and why are muslims suffering, because we have abandoned the correct aqeedah and are on a path other than the path of the salaf.
who is there amongst you that forbids the evil. it is only ahlus sunnah, the salafiyeen who warn agaisnt that which will harm the ummaah. are you calling ppl to the true aqeedah? i dont think so. all u call ppl to is partisanship and "this ruler said this" or in time magazine p.55 it said about this ruler". this is your call , and by Allaah it is not the call of the anbiyyah
and u want to talk to me about splitting. who is it that is aiding the communists, baatinees, baa'athists and the enemies of islam by callign muslim rulers kaffirs and splitting the ranks of the muslimeen.
Let just say you are right, for arguement's sake. Is Muslims having errors in aqeedah an excuse to leave them to be slaughtered by the kuffar? I'd like to see you tell this to the Muslims being slaughtered in Chechnya by the Russians or Palestine by the Jews or in Iraq and Afghanistan by Fahd's buddy Bush. Hatred for the Muslims not part of your hizb seethes from you.
lol! As salafee wants Muslims to believe that Allah ta'ala is a human being - then [maybe] he will be satisfied with their aqeedah?
As Salafee
26-01-05, 09:33 AM
lol! As salafee wants Muslims to believe that Allah ta'ala is a human being - then [maybe] he will be satisfied with their aqeedah?
la hawla wa la quwata illa billaah. fear the standing before your lord, u liar.
lol!! Did you have your breakfast this morning? What would you like me to call Tajseem of the false salafis / mustasallif?
Umm Layth
26-01-05, 10:38 AM
lol!! Did you have your breakfast this morning? What would you like me to call Tajseem of the false salafis / mustasallif?
lol
Bro Faqir, now that as-salafee has given us his views regarding the Ahlul Hadith can you pleae enlighten us regarding thier history referece to my original response. I alwasy found the original ahlul hadith postion confusing, it was attributed to imam Shafi' for some reason. Any insight?
Asalamu alaykum,
I think As salafi is talking about the contemporary movement known as "ahl -e - hadees" which started in the subcontinent around 200 or so years ago.
Those old divisions you are referring to of the "school of ahl al-Hadith" or the "school of ahl al-Ra'y" don't exist any longer amongst the actual madhabs of the Imams as far as I know....
Umm Layth
26-01-05, 10:56 AM
Asalamu alaykum,
I think As salafi is talking about the contemporary movement known as "ahl -e - hadees" which started in the subcontinent around 200 or so years ago.
Those old divisions you are referring to of the "school of ahl al-Hadith" or the "school of ahl al-Ra'y" don't exist any longer amongst the madhabs as far as I know.
I think the original question of the thread was regards to the original ahlul hadith rather than the contemporary..hmm maybe i m wrong.
As Salafee
26-01-05, 01:44 PM
Let just say you are right, for arguement's sake. Is Muslims having errors in aqeedah an excuse to leave them to be slaughtered by the kuffar? I'd like to see you tell this to the Muslims being slaughtered in Chechnya by the Russians or Palestine by the Jews or in Iraq and Afghanistan by Fahd's buddy Bush. Hatred for the Muslims not part of your hizb seethes from you.
the messenger of Allaah said humiliation has been decreed for those who oppose my sunnah.
he salalahu alaihi wa salam also said ...."i have left you upon clear guidance. its night is like its day. no one strays from it except that he is destroyed2 reported by ahmed, ibn maajah and declared saheeh by al albanee in his saheeha)
and ur telling me its th rulers fault. find me one hadeeth where it says muslims sufferign will b due to rulers.
is it any wonder these damn shee'ahs are being humilated. day on day out they are commiting shirk akbar by calling upon other than Allaah.
and this is the most detestable thing in the eyes of Allaah.
and ur telling me "its the rulers man, its fahd man, its saudi"
indeed u say u wish for unity, yet u small ignoramus, are the first ones who aid the communists, baatinees and enemies of islam by making takfeer of muslims.
heres a hadeeth you and ur fellow activists hate:
the prophet salalahu alaihi wa salam said "there will come leaders who will not follow my sunnah and will not follow guidance. there will be amongst them men who will have hearts of bodies in devils in the bodies of men" hudaifah asked "What shall i do, O messenger of Allaah if i reach that?" He replied "you should hear and obey the ruler even if he flogs your backs and takes your wealth, then still hear and obey"
reported by muslim eng trans vol 3/0129/34554
is imam muslim now a madkalee? or govt scholar?
the prophet salalahu alaihi wa salam said "whoever sees soemthing from his leader of sin, then let him hate whatever occurs from sin. And let him not remove his hand from obediance, since whoeevr removes his hand from disobediance and splits off from the jama'ah, then he dies the death of jahiliyyah (pre islamic ignorance)"
imam ahmed said "and killing of the one in power is not permissable, and nor is it permissable for anyone amongst the people to revolt against him. whoever does that is an innovator, upon other than the sunnah and the (correct) path" ussol us sunnah
al bukharee 13/5 and muslim 6/19
AbuNaqama
26-01-05, 07:10 PM
ya murjiah jahmi mushrik mubtadee irjioo ilal hujratul hayyati, ya talafi anta majnoon rabbuk howa fahd lakin rabbi howAllah
[go into snake holes] [your lord is fahd and mine lord is Allah]
tuz feeq
As Salafee
27-01-05, 11:03 AM
So Who Are Ahl ul-Hadith?
Author: Shaikh Rabee' bin Haadee al-Madkhalee
Source: Makaanat Ahl ul-Hadith (trans. by Bilal Davies, forthcoming SP release)
They are those who proceed upon the way of the Companions and those who followed them in righteousness, in clinging to the Book and the Sunnah, biting onto that with their molar teeth, and letting them (i.e., the Qur'aan and the Sunnah) take precedence over any statement or code and conduct - whether in belief, or acts of worship such as dealings and transactions, mannerisms, politics or social life.
They are those who are firm in regards to the fundamentals of the religion and its subsections, upon that which Allaah sent down and revealed upon his servant and Messenger Muhammad (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam). They are those establishing the call to that with all effort, sincerity and firm will. They are those carrying the knowledge of the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam), expelling from it the distortions of those who have exaggerated (in its regard) and the undue claims of the people of falsehood and the interpretations of the ignorant ones.
They are those who are observant and lie in wait for every group that has deviated from the way of Islaam, like the Jahmees and the Mu'tazilees and the Khawaarij and the Rawaafidh and the Murji'ah and the Qadriyyah and all of those who have deviated from the way of Allaah and have followed their desires in every time and place - they not affected by the reproach of the blamers, in the cause of Allaah
They are the group that the Messenger of Allaah has praised and commended in his saying, "There will not cease to be a group from my Ummah manifest and upon the truth not being harmed by those who forsake them neither by those who oppose them until the hour is established." [1]
They are the Saved Sect firm upon that which the Messenger and his Companions were upon, those who have been distinguished and defined by the Messenger of Allaah when he mentioned that this Ummah shall divide into seventy three sects all going to the Hell-fire except one and it was said, "Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah?" He said, "They are those who are upon that which I and my Comapnions are upon."
And this is not something we say in exageration or a mere claim, but verily we speak a reality that the text of the Qur'aan and the Sunnah bears witness to, which history bears witness to, and to which their (i.e., the Ahlul-Hadeeth's) statements, their state of affairs, their writings and works also bear witness to. They are those who put before their eyes the statement of Allaah:
And hold fast, all of you together, to the rope of Allaah. [2]
And His statement:
And let those who oppose the Messengers commandment beware lest some fitnah befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them. [3]
They are the most staunch in distancing themselves from opposing the command of the Messenger and the most distant from fitnah. They are those who make their constitution:
But no, by your Lord! They can have no faith, until they make you (O Muhammad (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam)) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept them with full submission. [4]
They are those who give to the Qur'aan and the Sunnah their true worth and give it the honour and veneration it deserves, giving priority to them over all the statements of mankind, and give precedence to their guidance over the guidance of all the people, and they judge by them in all affairs with complete pleasure, with chests which are expanded and free of restraint or constriction, and they submit to Allaah and His Messenger (with) a complete submission in their 'aqeedah and their worship and their dealings. They are those concerning whom the statement of Allaah holds true:
The only saying of the faithful believers when they are called to Allaah and His Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) to judge between them, is that they say, "We hear and we obey," and such are the prosperous ones.[5]
They after all of the Comapanions - and at the head of them the rightly guided Caliphs - are the leaders of the taabi'een and at the head of them: Sa'eed ibn al-Musayyib (d. 90H), 'Urwah ibn Zubair (d. 94H), 'Alee ibn al-Hussain Zain al-'Aabideen (d. 93H), Muhammad ibn Hanafiya (d. 80H), 'Ubaydullaah ibn 'Abdillaah ibn 'Utbah ibn Mas'ood (d. 94H or later), Saleem ibn 'Abdillaah ibn 'Umar (d. 106H), Qaasim ibn Muhammad ibn Abee Bakr as-Sadeeq (d. 106H), al-Hasan al-Basree (d. 110H), Muhammad ibn Sireen (d. 110H), 'Umar ibn 'Abdul-'Azeez (d. 101H) and Muhammad ibn Shihaab az-Zuhree (d. 125H).
Then the Atbaa'at-Taabi'een and at the head of them: Imaam Maalik (d. 179H), al-Awzaa'ee (d. 157H), Sufiyaan ibn Sa'eed ath-Thawree (d. 161H), Sufyaan ibn Uyayna (d. 198H), Ismaa'eel ibn Ubya??? (d. 193H), Layth ibn Sa'd (d. 175H) and Aboo Haneefah an-Nu'maan (d. 150H).
AbuNaqama
27-01-05, 12:05 PM
madhkali howa kaafir wa taf'aal jins ul famo bil fahd
the messenger of Allaah said humiliation has been decreed for those who oppose my sunnah.
I do hope Mr Salafee means "his sunnah".
Or perhaps he does not?
As Salafee
27-01-05, 01:38 PM
madhkali howa kaafir wa taf'aal jins ul famo bil fahd
now this jahil shabaabs makign takfeer of ahlus sunnah.
As Salafee
27-01-05, 01:39 PM
I do hope Mr Salafee means "his sunnah".
Or perhaps he does not?
please elaborate or remain silent.
As Salafee
27-01-05, 01:41 PM
Then those who followed them and at the head of them: 'Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak (d. 181H), Wakee' ibn al-Jarraah (d. 197H), the Imaam Muhammad ibn Idrees ash-Shaafi'ee (d. 204H), 'Abdur-Rahmaan ibn Mahdee (d. 198H), Yahya ibn Sa'eed al-Qataan (d. 198H) and Afaan ibn Muslim (d. 219H).
Then their students who followed them in this methodology, and at the head of them: the Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (d. 241H), Yahya ibn Ma'een (d. 233H) and 'Alee ibn al-Madeenee (d. 234H).
Then their students like al-Bukhaaree (d. 256H), Muslim (d. 261H), Abee Haatim (d. 277H), Abee Zara' (Aboo Zur'ah?) (d. 264H), Aboo Daawood (d. 275H), at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) and an-Nasaa'ee (d. 303H).
Then those who proceeded in their way in the generations that preceded them, like Ibn Jareer (at-Tabaree?) (d. 310H), Ibn Khuzaymah (d. 311H), ad-Daaraqutnee (d. 385H) in his time, al-Khateeb al-Baghdaadee (d. 463H) and Ibn 'Abdul-Barr an-Niwaaree (d. 463H).
And 'Abdul-Ghanee al-Maqdasee (d. 620H), Ibn Salaah (d. 643H), Ibn Taymiyyah (d. 728H), al-Mizzee (d. 743H), adh-Dhahabee (d. 748H), Ibn Katheer (d. 774H) and their contemporaries who lived in their time and those who came after them, and followed their footsteps in holding on to the Book and the Sunnah up until the present day.
These are who I mean by Ahlul-Hadeeth.
NOTES
[1] Hadeeth saheeh, collected by Muslim (3/1523), Ahmad (5/278-279), Aboo Dawood (3/4), Tirmidhee (4/420), Ibn Maajah (1/4-5), Haakim (4/449-450), at-Tabaraanee in Mu'jam al-Kabeer (7643) and Aboo Daawood at-Tayaalisi (p. 94, no. 689). Authenticated by al-Albaanee in As-Saheehah (270-1955).
please elaborate or remain silent.
I said "I do hope Mr Salafee means "his sunnah". Or perhaps he does not?" because due a grammatical error you said that we should follow your sunnah rather than the prophet's (pbuh).
I trust we can agree that this was a significant slip that needed correcting?
I must confess to being ever so slightly sardonic.
As Salafee
27-01-05, 04:58 PM
I said "I do hope Mr Salafee means "his sunnah". Or perhaps he does not?" because due a grammatical error you said that we should follow your sunnah rather than the prophet's (pbuh).
I trust we can agree that this was a significant slip that needed correcting?
I must confess to being ever so slightly sardonic.
jazakallaah for pointing that out.
AbuNaqama
28-01-05, 08:47 AM
madhkali laisa min ahlus sunati howa kaafir murtad liwaatee
Caramal
31-01-05, 11:50 AM
what u say?
Muslim Sista
31-01-05, 12:59 PM
go away
lmisbah
30-07-07, 02:14 PM
assalamualaycum warahmatullah wabarakathu
such ignorance i see on here, yah ekhwan ahle hadith came from the sallafiya movemant the only reason they differed is because some of the ahle hadith leaders used to mix with ahle bidah that is the only reason for the split and in regards to the talk at salaftalk.net about suhaib hasan disriputing sheikh arabee if anyone of you knew the slightest bit of english you would know that no where in that talk did he say anything bad about any of the great scholers of salafeeya rahimullah.
ITS FUNNY HOW THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO KEEP CRITESISING ARE THE ONES WHO ARE DOING THE LEAST FOR THE UMMAH. AKHI AHLE HADITH AND SALAFEEYAH ARE ON THE SAME AQEEDAH ALHAMDULLILAH BUT SALAFFEYAH ARE THE ONLY ONES ALWAYS CRITESISING AND NEVER DOING.
jzcasejz
30-07-07, 02:18 PM
As-Salaamu'alaikum
For those who bash Jamiat ahle-Hadeeth...check this PDF out: http://salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SHAIKHWASEEULLAAH_JamiatAhlul-Hadeeth.pdf
It's by a Scholar that teaches in Umm ul-Qura in Saudi (I THINK) and the Shaykh also holds Dars in Masjid al-Haraam.
Strict2TheSunna
30-07-07, 02:27 PM
More news about jamiat al hadeeth's suhaib hassan!!!!!!
HE'S MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THEN YOU AND YOUR SHEIKH RABEE!!!
lmisbah
14-09-07, 11:59 PM
Ahle hadith and slafiya share the same aqeedah by the way but the differance is the salafi brothers dont know that the aqeedah is the same. and suhaib hasan was attested and praised by the hounarable shaykh ibn baaz and al-albani who graduated him and were his teachers. once again the ignorant has attacked the innocent for this reason ive abandond calling my self salafi and now just call my self muslim but adhere to the the aqeedah of the salafi and manhaj of ahle hadith suhaib hasan is my teacher and he is a good person who tries to help the ummah not critisise it. example he is trying to establish islamic sharia within british law were as some people just critisise but dont want to help the ummah.
shamson
15-09-07, 11:55 AM
Ahle hadith and slafiya share the same aqeedah by the way but the differance is the salafi brothers dont know that the aqeedah is the same. and suhaib hasan was attested and praised by the hounarable shaykh ibn baaz and al-albani who graduated him and were his teachers. once again the ignorant has attacked the innocent for this reason ive abandond calling my self salafi and now just call my self muslim but adhere to the the aqeedah of the salafi and manhaj of ahle hadith suhaib hasan is my teacher and he is a good person who tries to help the ummah not critisise it. example he is trying to establish islamic sharia within british law were as some people just critisise but dont want to help the ummah.
MashAllah imisbah - may Allah guide you and let you and us benefit from taqwa and the knowledge of the salaf us salih. Ameen
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