Taimur Butt abducted by ISI

[abu yusaf]

Office of the
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of Hizb ut-Tahrir
In Pakistan

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Date: 24th Jun 2003


PRESS RELEASE

To suppress Hizb ut-Tahrir's stance on Kashmir, its member has been abducted

On June 24th Hizb ut-Tahrir's member Taimur Butt, a 23 year old Software Analyst was abducted by the secrete agencies in Islamabad near Sports Complex. According to the eyewitnesses, four cars of the agencies stopped his car, broke the window glass and kidnapped him by force. Moreover, took his car with them as well. Importantly this incident happened five days before Hizb's seminar on Kashmir. In this seminar, Hizb was going to expose the treacherous plan of the Pakistani rulers by which they are proceeding towards 'Akhand Bharat' (United India) in connivance with American and Indian government. This fact is still un-confirmed whether the abduction of Taimur Butt was carried out by the government agencies exclusively or FBI supervised the raid. Nevertheless, this fact can be said with absolute certainty that America and her agent rulers are extremely terrified by the growing popularity of Hizb and its objectives and they plan to crush any challenge to their plans with sheer force and terror. Furthermore, safeguard the interests of their masters is the only aim of the politics of these rulers. Muslim's life, property and honour can only be guaranteed when these agent rulers are rooted out along with their capitalist system and Khilafat-e-Rashidah is established which would be sincere with to Muslims rather than the imperialists.

Naveed Butt
The official Spokesman of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Pakistan

[Revolution]

Why ISI by default?

Can anyone proove it was them? How do you know it wasent RAW (or MOSSAD) ?

Look i support The Hizb but you should read up on sacrifices made by ISI in the Afghan Jihad, Kashmir Jihad, Kargil etc etc -

Not to show-up the Hizb brothers because they are doing good work feesabillah but i dont recall members of Hizb rushing to the Lands of Jihad, or fighting on the frontlines of Jihad (I mean Physical Jihad i.e. Military/War like that against Communism).

Giving Nusrah and Dawah has its own rewards and blessings but partaking in (physical) Jihad is different degree altogether.

ISI has been in the frontlines supplying the Mujahideen of Kashmir you think over-night they are going to stop and do a U-turn? What Pakistan "officially" says isnt always true.

[Details]

Taimur Butt? is that Seymour's brother?

[AmusedII]

Originally posted by Details
Taimur Butt? is that Seymour's brother?

[abu yusaf]

Akhi Revolution,

Yes there are many good sincere Muslims who have sacrificed a lot in the ISI, but you must not over look the role of the Americans in directing the overall strategy with regards to Jihad against the Soviet's and the Pro Taliban Policy. More fundamentally Afghanistan was the backbone to the defence of Pakistan from an Indian attack. It was the only territory from which a counter attack could be launched in the event of Indian forces over running the Punjab. Any government who was serious about defending Pakistan could not allow a hostile Afghanistan. Incredibly the Musharaff government and the ISI under his control allowed Pakistan's backbone to be broken when they rushed to the Americans request to sever all support to the TAliban and then actively work to support them in destroying their power.

With regards to Kashmir, the ISI only gave support when the country adopted the policy of Jihad in Kashmir, now that the policy at the bequest of the US is changed, the Jihadi groups are labbled as terrorist and cross border support is officially stopped. I recall the story of an Pakistani officer who is sincere to Islam and the Kashmir cause, lament that when the policy of Jihad was announced, his senior officers would approach the men and motivate them for Jihad by quoting ayahs of the Quaran while they were intoxicated with alcohol! So in short yes there are sincere elements, but we cannot deny the facts that the US is directing the foreign and internal security affairs in Pakistan and the ISI under the current leadership of the traitorous Musharaf are on the whole following orders.

[abu yusaf]

Bush Pledges $3 Billion in Aid to Pakistan

http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?o...AE48216A821DCD

Paula Wolfson
White House
24 Jun 2003

U.S. President George W. Bush has announced a $3 billion package of
military and economic aid for Pakistan, a key ally in the war on
terrorism. The announcement came after talks with Pakistani leader
Pervez Musharraf at Camp David, the U.S. presidential retreat near
Washington.

Mr. Bush said President Musharraf has been a courageous leader in
fighting terrorism, and a friend of the United States. He said
President Musharraf deserves America's help. "I will work with the
United States Congress on a $3 billion assistance package to help
advance security and economic opportunity for Pakistan's citizens," he
said.

The president said about half the aid will be military in nature, but
he said the package will not include F-16 fighter jets requested by
Pakistan.

India is opposed to the sale of F-16's to Islamabad, and Mr. Bush
indicated the issue generated some lively debate during his meeting
with President Musharraf. "The president is not afraid to bring up the
issue of F-16's," said Mr Bush. "He has been a strong advocate for the
sale of F-16's to Pakistan."

President Musharraf did not dwell at length in public on the F-16's.
Instead, he focused on key agreements that will be signed during his
stay in the United States. "One relates to the trade and investment
framework agreement, which will help move toward an eventual free trade
agreement, the FTA," he said.

The Pakistani leader also spoke of a shared commitment to fight terror,
noting that his government has sent troops into remote tribal areas in
hopes of finding terrorist fugitives, including al-Qaida leader Osama
bin Ladin. "We have cooperated closely in the global fight against
terrorism," he said, "and we stand determined to rid the world of this
menace."

President Musharraf is the first South Asian leader to be invited to
Camp David, the secluded mountain retreat in the state of Maryland. The
visit comes at a time when efforts are under way to ease tensions
between Pakistan and neighboring India. President Bush said he is
"encouraged" by the progress made so far and pledged to do all he can
to promote peace.

[Revolution]

Fair Points but i guess it comes down to the Question; Can Mulla's Rule?

In other words can religious figureheads be allowed full control of a nation such as Pakistan - which is a Nuclear Power.

Will they start a war on America and the World and cause the destruction of Pakistan? Pakistans only real ally is China but if with Religious leaders in power they will probably break off ties since they are 'kafir'.

Make no mistake about it since the foriegn policy proposed by these Mullas is Jihad against the World - how can this Jihad materalise and be established when you dont have the material means?

Is there any Nation - Muslim or Otherwise - that can claim to deciecively defeat America on Land, Air, Sea and Space? The only two that come to mind are Russia and China and even if they united together they still couldent defeat America (without using Nukes) so how can a single Muslim state be able to conduct global Jihad on its own?

Its like 1 state! not the whole ummah - it would be like State of Texas declaring war on its own against Russia!

[Revolution]

Well what can i say? Times Change.

Musharaf is a patriotic nationalist - he never claimed the titles of Ameer ul Momineen, Qadi ul Quda or Khalifah. What do you expect from him? Ofcourse he is going to do whats best for Pakistan, and at this moment in time he sees that to be Not to Cheese Off America! Saw what happened to Iraq? They dont want Islamabad turned into Baghdad - Let me tell you a little secret about Pakistanis: Much like Israel they are obsessed with their Security! They will go to extreme lenths (like the Israelis) to make sure they are not threatened. Read about Mossad and ISI operations and you will see how they are almost like two Evil Twins!

The only difference is that America has given much much more Material support to Israel then Pakistan - although Pakistan has been a more useful ally/puppet then Israel - as a result Pakistan has had to do everything on their own, which in a way is good because they are self-sufficient to a extent and dont rely on others as much - much like Iran.

Originally posted by abu yusaf
Akhi Revolution,

Yes there are many good sincere Muslims who have sacrificed a lot in the ISI, but you must not over look the role of the Americans in directing the overall strategy with regards to Jihad against the Soviet's and the Pro Taliban Policy. More fundamentally Afghanistan was the backbone to the defence of Pakistan from an Indian attack. It was the only territory from which a counter attack could be launched in the event of Indian forces over running the Punjab. Any government who was serious about defending Pakistan could not allow a hostile Afghanistan. Incredibly the Musharaff government and the ISI under his control allowed Pakistan's backbone to be broken when they rushed to the Americans request to sever all support to the TAliban and then actively work to support them in destroying their power.

With regards to Kashmir, the ISI only gave support when the country adopted the policy of Jihad in Kashmir, now that the policy at the bequest of the US is changed, the Jihadi groups are labbled as terrorist and cross border support is officially stopped. I recall the story of an Pakistani officer who is sincere to Islam and the Kashmir cause, lament that when the policy of Jihad was announced, his senior officers would approach the men and motivate them for Jihad by quoting ayahs of the Quaran while they were intoxicated with alcohol! So in short yes there are sincere elements, but we cannot deny the facts that the US is directing the foreign and internal security affairs in Pakistan and the ISI under the current leadership of the traitorous Musharaf are on the whole following orders.

[mtsmallick]

Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

Assalam-o-Alakum

Taking about Pakistan's State within state "ISI" is simple as one can say. No doubt the we have some faithful who have still fighting in protect the ideology and sovernity of Muslims of Pakistan. But Opposing forces are now given free hand and their masters are on full swing. But no doubt the abduction of Hizah Person is definitely is from those people who are thriving on foreign masters AID.

As for our Prince Gen Musharaf (Promoted by exile N.Sharif) and Self proclaimed President till death has gone to visit his master GWB. He earns 3 Billion dollars money for the betral and tratorship he has done to his Armed forces and to the muslims.

Prince Musharaf was there to Guranteed his life rule in pakistan. He has all the backing of his half blood brother GWB. Along with him were two ugliest and dishonest person of our country. One Mr. Sharif-uddin pirzada and other is double agent Shaukat Aziz (a spy of US). Just before prince submission to GWB, Shaukat Aziz secrectly visited the pakistan's most secrect defense site the KHOTA research Lab. Since this site is even not permissible to even prime minister of Pakistan, what in the earth this thug Aziz was doing. He was their to see as US agent that pakistan is rolling back his only achieved Nuclear programme. This is similarly meet by throwing pakistan's forces into FATA areas of Pakistan. This is in clear violation of Paksitan's agreement with them.

This is how Prince Musharaf paved his way to Camp David, where only Muslims rulers gets shame, death and humilation. Pakistan doesnot need any peny from US. But these puppets of US need this US Aid to live on it and lavish their family on it as Prince Musharaf Son is doing in BOSTON.

We all know that majority of Army Generals of Pakistan has their family living in US and enjoying it. So how come US can be their enemy.

To Prince Musharaf, i personally assume him as dog. His Fellows and like minds are thriving in Pakistan and making life full of fun and profitable.

Today Pakistan Army's Generals are largest Corporate Leaders, and majority of Business are being run by them. Most department are being filled by Serving and X- Generals.

May Allah (SWT) give us Guidence.

[Enlightened]

Well summed up!

American Plan for S.Asia:

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org/The%20Am...for%20Asia.htm

Political Analysis: Kashmir

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org/Political%20Analysis%20(pakistan).htm

[Desardes]

The Indian government not only allows elections to run freely in kashmir, they allow Muslims to govern the province.
Oh, and there always will be a hostile Afghanistan in regards to so-called "pakistani" peace. During the time of ex-King Zahir Shah, violence escalated for disputed territory and went near the brink of war. And after the suicide mission which led to the death of Ahmad Shah Masood, i'm guessing like Germany in world War 2, pakistan can be divided among India and the Afghans, (The modern Russians and Allies!).

[curiousUK]

Are these people related to the Al Muhajiroun terrorist recruiter Hassan Butt?

[EasyEasy]

Salaam the betrayal of musharaeff upon the muslims of Kashmir has been epic, if shutting down the madrasa's, stopping the jihad in kashmir was not enough he is now at the ask of his master America abducting the sincere dawah carriers. The dawah carrier who openly outside the mosques of Pakistan show his betrayal to the muslims of Pakistan. This is the same musharaeff who was ousted out of the commonwealth, the same musharraef who was slapped in the face when he asked for the F-16's Pakistan has already paid for. This was the same musharraef who supported America's War on Islam eloquently titled for the bamboozled american public war on terror in the hope of bringing economic prosperity to pakistan by increasing exports. What happened ? exports decreased and no economic advantage was seized by betraying the muslims of Afghanistan. This evil entity that is musharaeff at the time the muslims in Gujrat were burnt alive by the stone worshipping hindus said " that is an internal matter for India" again trying to quash the bond of the islamic aqeedah with Nationalism. Alhamdulillah it is amazing to see still after all this muslism realise that he is nothing but an agent of the west continuing their colonisation of the muslim lands and they still work for the Vital Issue that will carry Islam to the world.

[JiHaD_JoE]

Originally posted by curiousUK
Are these people related to the Al Muhajiroun terrorist recruiter Hassan Butt?

actually banned boy, Al Muhajiroun isnt a terror group, seems like any Muslim group with a fancy name is a bit suspicious eh? oh yea i forgot ure banned, u cant reply

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Desardes
The Indian government not only allows elections to run freely in kashmir, they allow Muslims to govern the province.
Oh, and there always will be a hostile Afghanistan in regards to so-called "pakistani" peace. During the time of ex-King Zahir Shah, violence escalated for disputed territory and went near the brink of war. And after the suicide mission which led to the death of Ahmad Shah Masood, i'm guessing like Germany in world War 2, pakistan can be divided among India and the Afghans, (The modern Russians and Allies!).

Pakistan going to be divided amongst what? You dream too much. India allows elections to run freely in kashmir? At what expense killing soo many kashmiries ever since partition? And what muslims govern there? the kashmiries dont want to be a part of india and untill india lets them be there will never be peace with them.
ps ur forgetting something pakistan is a nuclear power, just like india

[mtsmallick]

Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

Assalam-o-Alakum

First of all, i must give credit to the people who deploy such an effective proxy war in Kashmir. I havn't realise it , but when i saw a Programme on BBC as Question Time India. There what i have seen and heard was the solid proof of what i have said above. This Jehad of Kashmir backed by pakistan has paved the way for India to sit on table. I recon that india will never say any thing about kashmir if their soliders who have been killed every day. This actually has demoralised the moral of Indian army in Kashmir. I saw many family memebers of soliders on BBc programme demanding Indian govt for the safety of their boys. They were badly demoralised and highly emotional. Since they feel that paksitan is actually killing indian soliders but indian cant do any thing about it. Some x-serving kashmri indian soliders boys were very annoyed on their govt for doing nothing to settle the score.

This is why india has tried at it best to persue his version of this kashmri jehad as terrorism so that other influential countries push paksitan to stop it. This is utimatley an embarssing situation for Indian Gvt and Army.

Here youth filled with the motion of Jehad and love for muslims brotherhood from every aspect of life, go to kashmir to embrace Matyerdom. They have one wish and that is to be Killed. They have motivation and are fearless but on the otherhand indian soliders are demoralised and have no emotion but to impose their occupation where millions of muslims are angered and feel indian soliders as their enemy.

As for Election in Occupied Kashmir, what in earth is going to went wrong for india if they allow Kashri's under UN supervision to decided whether they want freedom from India or remain with india. If Indian are so confident then why they hesitating on such simple exercise.

May Allah (SWT) Give us guidence and make us stood fast on our sincere and rightous deeds.

[Revolution]

"free elections in indian OCCUPIED kashmir" - lol that will be the day!

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Iv no intention of defending musharaf but like i said you people are expecting too much from him and Pakistan.

I agree Pakistan could have done more for the Muslims in Gujrat who were burnt and massacred by fanatical hindus but you must remember that Gujrat is in India, not Pakistan. Had Pakistan intervened it would quickly have led to full-scale War and likely Nuclear Armageddon. That is a outcome Pakistan wont accept unless its own survival is threatened - and thats the hard/cold reality.

Regarding Afghanistan - Pakistan had 2 choices:

A) Defend Afghanistan, reject America's Demands and no doubt get Blitzed by USA. In this case USA would have attacked Pakistan first and then Afganistan. The outcome? Destruction of both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

B) To cooperate with America, save Pakistan from destruction and live to fight another day.

Regardless of which one of the options they should have chosen, if they should have fought to defend the Taliban/bin Laden Pakistan choose option B. Thats another reality we must live with.

Regarding Kashmir- stopping the "militants". Have you heard News today?? 12 Indian Occupation troops killed and 2 Mujahideen Shaheed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3027868.stm) - Its true Pakistan has closed some Camps and arrested some people but they go into prision from one end and come out the other ! they are rarely kept for more then 24 hours. Some "militants" who are seen as a threat to Pakistan security are accussed (often wrongfully) of being a Al-Qaida suspect and handed over to America.

[mtsmallick]

Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

Assalam-o-Alakum

I feel sorry for people who had sympathy for Musharaf. I persoanlly ask who the Hell Musharaf is? Who had given him power to take decission on the behalf of 140 millions mostly muslims. Musharaf is a illegitimate self proclaimed dictator of Pakistan. He has imposes himself for his personal Vendatta with a Personal who Abba Jee has Appointed him (thinking him dumb and dull). He has playing mockary of his 140 millions people and his country. This worthless piece of trash think himself as Atta Turk. He not only held hostage to his people by the forces of Army power but held hostage to his Army also. He play mackary of Judiciary by blackmailing and giving bribes in shape of 3 yrs extension and so, held fraud selection, appointed an ugly piece of dumb and giant size corrupt person as show piece Prime minister who is only work is to wondering in a Sharif's left Mercedes with PM flag on it and take salary as PM. Whole PM cabnet is made from people who are proven corrupt and now had files of their corruption with NAB.

Musaraf words become the law of country, if he likes someone, he can have free hand and if he dont like, go in exile. His actions and decission are open violation of pakistan contituion. He as armed service man has grabed the post of presidency. World is laughing on us.

A for Musharaf, i have no doubt that he can do any thing in his power to prolong his dirty rule just like his precedors. His favourite pet is dog and what he has become so.

May Allah (SWT) give us freedom from such evil dictator. Amen

[Revolution]

okay mtsmallic out of intrest whats your opinion of Zia ul Haq? was he also a evil dictator? Or the mastermind who planned, deployed and executed the most Modern Jihad in history and achieved total Victory against the Soviets (probably the biggest Military threat Ummah has faced since the Mongols).

At the end of the day Musharaff is nothing special but rather have him then Nawaz Sharif and Khanzeer Bhutto - would you prefer that secular cow be in power? Im not a member of any political party but can you honestly say Musharaff is Corrupt? I can show you Proof that Benzeer and Sharif were corrupt but can you back up your statement that Musharaf is corrupt? If so i would be intrested in seeing how and where there are funds unaccounted for.

It is important to back up your accusations. For example if you call the Saudis corrupt you can back it up with many facts - like the fact that they live a life of luxary at the expense of the public, or their 20 Limosuines, 10 Jets for personal use, 100 Palaces etc - but in contrast Musharaf doesnt live in any major luxary, he lives a normal life, he doesnt have extravegant amount of wealth. He is accountable for his actions to Pakistans National Assembly and Senate etc

You ask who gave Musharaf right to rule? Well let me tell you that in this modern World Might is Right - and we should all learn that lesson quickly lest we fall victim to it.

Musharaf can hardly be classed as a Dictator - he is a strong leader, a General, he confronted India and didnt back down (last year), he engineered Kargil showdown and didnt let the Mujahids down there - it was Nawaz who ordered the withdrawl at a time when Musharaff had India by the Balls.

I am disapointed with Musharaff for not fully implementing the Shariah and establishing Khilafah-like state but then again how can we complain when he never claimed to do so? (unlike Sharif!, remember?) He did what he said he would: Bring (more) stability to Pakistan and improve the Economy. For the 1st time in Pakistans history the Government has a surplus budget of 4 Billion (excluding the 3 Billion given to them by USA - 1.5 Billion of which will be spent of Defense).

I dont see how Musharaf is 'corrupt'. You can call him a tyrant or a oppressor (although it isnt entirely true) or a "dog" but thats your opinion. The reason he shows a dog on T.V that he is walking is because of Public Relations and to please the West - thats what he is doing its not secret.

Now you can hate Musharaf as much as you want but Pakistan has had much worse (Benzir Bhutto, Nawaz Sharif etc), and there are much worse Rulers throughout the Muslim World (i dont even need to state examples just look around). Do you have anyone in mind who can Rule right now instead of Musharaf? Can you give a example of anywhere in the World that can be a Model for Pakistan and its Rulers?

[Revolution]

Originally posted by Enlightened
Well summed up!

American Plan for S.Asia:

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org/The%20Am...for%20Asia.htm

Political Analysis: Kashmir

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org/Political%20Analysis%20(pakistan).htm

jazakallah for the links but can u review the bottom one inshallah, it seems to be a broken link -

[Enlightened]

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org/Politica...(pakistan).htm

try this. If not then go to the site :

http://www.hizbuttahrir.org

and go to the Politics section and under the International situation.

Wassallam

[mtsmallick]

Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

Assalam-o-Alakum

As for Zia-ul-Haq as concern, i will not talk lot about him as he is no more among us. But I see him as Lier but better than Musharaf. Why becoz he deals with American on his own terms which unable pakistan a fair better position than now. But on political front he was a lier and not trust worthy.

As for Musharaf as concern, he is dog to me becoz he is man of PR (Public relationing). His srimes are so evident and huge that toady's A. Hitler remeber him as in these words:

"Musharaf is courageous leader and a friend of the United States of Ameirca"

It isalways said by wise people that " Ap person is known by the company he keeps"

Musharaf grip and signs of plunder doesnot stop at external level, he on domestic front has take tight grip on whole scene of pakistan econmoy by Installing upto now 76 Generals and more than 600 Brigadiers in key strategic institutions of pakistan. He not only have done this but also appoints Army junta in College and universities as VC's.

As for corruption, Musharaf has paid only $12 in past 3 years in Income returns. It was told in Assembly that President House expenses runs in Rs. 100 millions in year.

Dont give examples of N.Sharif and Bhutto, their corruption and plunder cant be excuse for what Musharaf is doing along with his greedy army junta.

Today Pakistan Army Generals are largest businessman and have the largest land in their possession by grabbing it in the name of defence of this country.

If Sharaif is guilty of any thing then Musharaf is Sharif's decissions and should be consider as null and viod. Musharaf was promoted by Sharaif above four senior officers why? becoz then Musharaf was consider as PR person has made several trips to Sharaif Abba Jee house.


This is the same Musharaf who initiated Kargil adventure as there was a peace talk was going on b/w two PM's. Its was reported that in the autopse of Pak solider killed in this adventure, they found grass in their stomach. This is how Musharaf played with our solider just to embaress then PM. We all know how then Army send PM to US to made India stop so that Paksiatna stranded solider get safe pass. What has gained from this mis-adventure of Musharaf, nothing.

I believe it will be insanity who ever see Musharaf as better person. Musharaf has now become the third shameless Muslim country leader to Visit Camp david. Two of them were Eyptain PM and Arafat.

May Allah (SWT) give us guidence and give us Allah fearing leader for us. Amen

[Qurratulain]

assalamulaikom
Yes Zia-ul-Haq aint amongst us, but I wonder on what grounds are u calling him aliar? He was a very God fearing person, that when he died he was even then reading the Quran. He was the only sincere leader pakistan has ever had so far, I dont see how that made him a liar though.
Benazir,nawaz and now musharraf, their all the same, all they wanna do is loot and plunder, so what difference does it make at what a level liars they are its all the same junk we get as our leaders after every election.

[mtsmallick]

Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

Assalam-o-Alakum

Personally, on character wise Late Zia-ul-Haq can be consider as fairer than any one now. But i call him lier is simple. It was read from histroy that Gen Zia before take over was consider as straight forward and a fool person that's what his qualifications which compelled then PM Late Bhutto. Now When Gen Zia took over, he promise which is on the video that he will do election in 90 days. And his 90 days were end in an Plane incident. (11 years).

Similarly, what Gen. Zia promises for Shariat in paksitan was incomplete and some what on paper only. For 11 years he has been talking about Islam, but never being able to implement it. If it has been, then we will never see Musharaf like people on our country scene.

But, never the less, characterwise, we came to know that Zia was a much better person than any other.