Arrest of Muslim teen 'led to Dutch terror warning'

[abdulhakeem]

22 July 2004

AMSTERDAM — The arrest of a 17-year-old Muslim male in Rotterdam at the end of June was one of the most important reasons for the Dutch government's decision to issue a terrorism alert on 9 July, it has been revealed.

The youth, who has not been named, is suspected of planning a terrorist attack in the Netherlands, the Interior Ministry confirmed to national news service NOS.

The suspect was arrested on 30 June by police in the port city of Rotterdam in relation to an armed robbery. A search of his home revealed materials, including plans of buildings and installations, suggesting he was linked to terrorist activities, the Interior Ministry claimed.

A judge extended the suspect's detention in custody on 8 July.

The following day, the Dutch government declared a terror alert and later warned that targets in the west of the country were most at risk of attack. Security has been stepped up in response to the alert around Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport and other major infrastructural facilities.

A ministry spokesman said the arrest of the youth "played a role" in the heightened terror alert along with other information from within the Netherlands and abroad. He refused to say more about the suspect except that he is a Muslim and a Dutch national.

He also says that the terror alert remains unchanged.

Interior Minister Johan Remkes caused confusion after he said last week that a letter, supposedly from Al-Qaeda, had been delivered to the UN headquarters in New York warning of terror attacks in Brussels, Belgium, and the Netherlands. He admitted on Monday that he had been mistaken and no such letter appeared to exist.

A ministry spokesman said that Remkes' initial statement had referred to an AIVD inquiry into a rumour among journalists that an al-Qaeda letter had been sent to the UN. The spokesman also admitted there had been a misunderstanding.

Defence expert Ko Colyn told NOS news on Wednesday evening that the youth arrested in Rotterdam fitted the profile of the 150 Muslim suspects constantly monitored by the Dutch security service AIVD. He said the suspects include many teenagers who are an "interesting and malleable" target group for terrorist recruiters.

On Monday, it was reported that two men — a Syrian and a Lebanese man — were arrested on 17 July on suspicion of planning to attack soldiers taking part in the annual Nijmegen Four Day March.

It was reported that the suspects were possibly part of a long inactive terrorist cell, but it has not been confirmed if the threatened attack is linked to the general terror alert. Neither suspect was armed at the time of arrest.

The main suspect has reportedly been identified as a Syrian, Yvar H., 37, who entered the Netherlands in 1989 as an asylum seeker.

He has been under surveillance by the AIVD for some time and lives with his wife and two young daughters in the Gelderland village Ooij, newspaper De Telegraaf reported on Monday. He was arrested while shopping with his family in Nijmegen on Saturday and police also raided his home, allegedly seizing goods, photos and documents.

The suspect's house is considered as a meeting point or possibly a stop over for other suspicious foreigners. He allegedly gave accommodation to another foreigner — possibly the second arrested suspect — in the week prior to his arrest.

Defence lawyers identified the second suspect as a 33-year-old man from Lebanon with no fixed address in the Netherlands. It has been alleged that he went to police voluntarily and claimed he had been approached to take part in an attack.

He was questioned for some time and then arrested, but an Arnhem Court judge said on Tuesday there was insufficient reason to extend his remand detention.

But the man is still in detention because he is an illegal alien and faces deportation despite alerting the police to a possible attack.

Officials at the national office of the Public Prosecutor (OM) said the arrest of the two men was not connected in any way to the arrest of the Rotterdam teen.

It has also been reported this week that the Nijmegen case was not connected to the decision to declare the terror alert.

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=9743

[abdulhakeem]

Behind the Dutch terror threat

by Security and Defence editor Hans de Vreij, 22 July 2004

A chance arrest in the city of Rotterdam and tapped telephone conversations were both key factors behind the move to the heightened terrorist alert that has been in place in the Netherlands since 9 July.

On Wednesday, the Dutch Public Prosecution Service and Ministry of Internal Affairs announced that a 17-year-old Dutch Muslim youth had been arrested on 30 June on suspicion of involvement in a raid on a supermarket. A subsequent search of his home allegedly led to the discovery of a number of items which, while they had nothing to do with "ordinary" crime, could be connected with possible terrorist plans; sketches and details of buildings and their locations.

On 8 July, a Rotterdam court ruled that the youth was to remain in custody. Just one day later, the authorities issued the announcement concerning the increased risk of possible terrorist attacks and implemented tighter security measures at a number of "specific locations" in the provinces of North Holland, South Holland, Zeeland and North Brabant. On 16 July, the potential targets were described as "certain government buildings and busy locations".

Pure coincidence
Some sources claim that the Dutch Intelligence and Security Service (AIVD) had been monitoring the 17-year-old arrestee for some time. However, statements made to Radio Netherlands by sources within the AIVD appear to confirm that his arrest and the subsequent discovery of the suspect documents were a stroke of luck.

The authorities are meanwhile stressing that the arrest of the youth was not the only reason for moving parts of the country to a heightened terrorist alert. Both the AIVD and the Interior Ministry have said that "other information from within the Netherlands and abroad" has also played a part. The fact that the youth is now in custody also appears not to have resulted in any review of the assessment of the threat or change in the level of security now in place.

Tip-off from Rome


According to an American source, this "other information" refers in particular to tapped telephone conversations made by an Egyptian national, who is believed to have direct links with al-Qaeda and to have been one of the team which organised the 11 March train attacks in Madrid, in which almost 200 people lost their lives. The man in question is Ravei Osman Sayed Ahmed (33), who was arrested in Rome on 7 June. His fingerprints were reportedly found at the house in Madrid where the bombs used in the attacks were assembled.

Risk remains and grows


Italian security officers monitored the Egyptian's telephone calls for a period of some three months prior to his arrest. Stratfor, a commercial intelligence company based in Houston, Texas, says that information obtained from these calls led to the heightened alert in the Netherlands. Stratfor also quotes anonymous sources inside the US intelligence community as saying that the risk of Islamic militants carrying out attacks in the Netherlands continues to grow. The same sources also appear to have said that the Dutch authorities only began to take the threat of attacks inside the Netherlands seriously after the Madrid attacks took place.

http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/ned040722.html

[Liz Thompson]

Dutch society is rapidly becoming a fascist society.

The simple evidence of this fact is the 5 million votes, which Pim Fortuyne (pronounced as, Pim Fortown), ----- the Nazi and Fascist leader of the Dutch party, LPM ---- received during his election two years ago.

Among the foreigners in Holland, the indignant expression of "Pim Fortuyne" is fast becoming prevalent and widespread to describe the Dutch Nazis and Dutch Fascists.

[Vercingetorix]

Liz,

I totally disagree with you.

Dutch society is as tolerant as ever. Unfortunately they've discovered that without anyone asking them, they have a number of new people who have arrived and live amongst them who have no loyalty to their civilisation, their ideals, their future.

When the few people who have created that brilliant country learn that, for example, the most popular name registered in Amsterdam in 2002 was Mohammed, they worry!

Liz, you a cultural quisling. Pim Fortuyn opened our eyes to the takeover by stealth of the intolerant and reactionary bigots.

[Ali_Khan]

Look at the policy of racial facism that the Dutch carried out in South Africa and you can understand what kind of nazis they are.

[Liz Thompson]

Liz,

I totally disagree with you.

Dutch society is as tolerant as ever. Unfortunately they've discovered that without anyone asking them, they have a number of new people who have arrived and live amongst them who have no loyalty to their civilisation, their ideals, their future.

When the few people who have created that brilliant country learn that, for example, the most popular name registered in Amsterdam in 2002 was Mohammed, they worry!

Liz, you a cultural quisling. Pim Fortuyn opened our eyes to the takeover by stealth of the intolerant and reactionary bigots.

You are completely unaware of the details of the Dutch politics.

We own several businesses in Amsterdam and visit it from time to time. Our city of Köln, Germany is just 2 hours away from Amsterdam by the Intercity Express, which is the fastest train in Europe.

If you want to discover the truth for yourself, pay a visit to Amsterdam and get to the truth yourself.

In Amsterdam, one can only find work through the job centres, which are called, Uitzendbureaus. The Dutch dont give any work to foreigners, except the dirty work and even that on part time basis.

The Dutch are OK with the people of the Asian origin. But when it comes to the Moroccans and the Blacks, they have NO time and NO work for them.

Needless to say that we now employ several Moroccans in our 3 and 4 star hotels in Amsterdam and give them preference because of their islamic identity.

The blacks, who are completely ostracized from the mainstream society, resort to criminal activities of all kinds and reside just outside Amsterdam, where nobodyelse wants to live. Their area is called, Bijlmer, pronounced as, Belma. It is also called, a Thief Town, because of a large number of thefts and muggings there.

The blacks have no work and no future in Amsterdam. Most of them live in the Amstel Prison, in Amsterdam.



Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Germany
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan@yahoo.com.au

[yorkshireman]

Dutch society is rapidly becoming a fascist society.

The simple evidence of this fact is the 5 million votes, which Pim Fortuyne (pronounced as, Pim Fortown), ----- the Nazi and Fascist leader of the Dutch party, LPM ---- received during his election two years ago.

Among the foreigners in Holland, the indignant expression of "Pim Fortuyne" is fast becoming prevalent and widespread to describe the Dutch Nazis and Dutch Fascists.

Are you the Nazi supporter who keeps going on about "Churchill cockroachs" as a slur against the British?

[Ali_Khan]

How does saying "Churchill cockroachs" make one a Nazi?

[yorkshireman]

How does saying "Churchill cockroachs" make one a Nazi?

It doesn't, as it's a made up phrase it merely makes one look stupid. However the person who came up with it is, as I recall, a Nazi of Australian parentage who emigrated to Ze Fatherland, and hates Jews, Brits, Americans, black people and pretty much everyone. Her distinguishing feature is taking an individual, lets say Ghandi, and then saying something along the lines of "more and mroe people now reffer to Indians as 'ghandi terrorists'". It's not actually true that anyone other than her says this, but she is very fond of doing it. (see above "Among the foreigners in Holland, the indignant expression of "Pim Fortuyne" is fast becoming prevalent and widespread to describe the Dutch Nazis and Dutch Fascists." - not actually true at all)

Anyway, check out a charming little post by her on how negro "untermenschen" should be dealt with - Civilised whites vs Thief monkey n****rs

[Liz Thompson]

Yorkshire man,

I am not a Nazi, you stupid. My own Astro Physicist husband comes from Pakistan and I could not have married him if I was a Nazi. Regarding the crimes of the blacks, it is a well known fact that most of the criminals in the European countries are the blacks. In Frankfurt, Germany, there is a large prison and most of its prisoners are none other than the blacks. The worst example of the negro crime in the world is America, where 395 acts of theft and muggings take place every day in New York. Most of these perpetrators happen to be blacks.

If you want to tarnish your image by refering to yourself as a disease spreading churchill cockroach, proceed forward immediately and tell the entire world about it. If you are a Cockroach, you SHOULD be called a Cockroach.

Regarding Gandhi, we are currently carrying out a specialized study about his past. If and when we found it, we will post it here on this board. If you are an admirer of Gandhi, your this baseless admiration is not going to inhibit us from continuing to proceed with our anti Gandhi work.

"Pim Fortuyne" is an indignant expression to describe the Dutch Nazis and if you dont want to agree with it, then dont. Nobody cares what you agree and what you disagree with. Your point of opinion means nothing, just like you yourself. You appear to be in full support of Pim Fortuyne, which indicates to us that you yourself are a Nazi. Put your own Nazi house in order before pointing an accusing finer towards me.

And stop crawling all over the board, you Cockroach.



Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Germany
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

[yorkshireman]

Yorkshire man,

I am not a Nazi, you stupid. My own Astro Physicist husband comes from Pakistan and I could not have married him if I was a Nazi. Regarding the crimes of the blacks, it is a well known fact that most of the criminals in the European countries are the blacks. In Frankfurt, Germany, there is a large prison and most of its prisoners are none other than the blacks. The worst example of the negro crime in the world is America, where 395 acts of theft and muggings take place every day in New York. Most of these perpetrators happen to be blacks.

If you want to tarnish your image by refering to yourself as a disease spreading churchill cockroach, proceed forward immediately and tell the entire world about it. If you are a Cockroach, you SHOULD be called a Cockroach.

Regarding Gandhi, we are currently carrying out a specialized study about his past. If and when we found it, we will post it here on this board. If you are an admirer of Gandhi, your this baseless admiration is not going to inhibit us from continuing to proceed with our anti Gandhi work.

"Pim Fortuyne" is an indignant expression to describe the Dutch Nazis and if you dont want to agree with it, then dont. Nobody cares what you agree and what you disagree with. Your point of opinion means nothing, just like you yourself. You appear to be in full support of Pim Fortuyne, which indicates to us that you yourself are a Nazi. Put your own Nazi house in order before pointing an accusing finer towards me.

And stop crawling all over the board, you Cockroach.



Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Germany
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

Elizabeth,

Good, it was not a case of mistaken identity and you are in fact "that" Liz Thompson. A few points if I may.

1. I have seen no study which suggests that the majority of criminals in Europe are black. What eveidence do you have to support this assertion (from credible sources please not neo-Nazi sites)

2. As I understand it you use the term Churchill Cockroach to refer to us Britons, so by your racist terminology that is indeed what you would call me.

3. If your study on Ghandi is as detailed as your study on "most criminals are black" then it will probably not be a groundbreaking scholarly work, in fact it is more likely to be racist neo-nazi drivel. I shall withold judgement until I read it however.

4. I am not in agreement with Pim Fortuyne, I am merely in disagreeement with your assertion that people in Holland hang around indignatly say ing "Pim Fortuyne" over and over again as some kind of protest against neo-nazis. It does not make any sense as a phrase, along with "Kennedy terrorism" or "Church cockroach" - it's just drivel that popped into your head and then you write it down, claim loads of people say it and then get all cross when people point out that actually you're the only one using these phrases.

5. You are very racist and, from the content and style of your posts, clearly at least slightly unhinged. Seek medical help.

Yorkshireman.

[chuchelo]

I don't understand how people can call Holland and Amsterdam specifically any negative names. I travel to Amsterdam often and it is indeed my favorite city in the world.............freedom to enjoy and indulge!!!!

Love it...................

Liz,

I totally disagree with you.

Dutch society is as tolerant as ever. Unfortunately they've discovered that without anyone asking them, they have a number of new people who have arrived and live amongst them who have no loyalty to their civilisation, their ideals, their future.

When the few people who have created that brilliant country learn that, for example, the most popular name registered in Amsterdam in 2002 was Mohammed, they worry!

Liz, you a cultural quisling. Pim Fortuyn opened our eyes to the takeover by stealth of the intolerant and reactionary bigots.

[Liz Thompson]

Elizabeth,


1. I have seen no study which suggests that the majority of criminals in Europe are black. What eveidence do you have to support this assertion (from credible sources please not neo-Nazi sites)

Several such studies have been carried out in Holland regarding the black crime, which assisted them to arrive at the ultimate conclusion that most of the crimes in Holland and particularly in Amsterdam, were committed by the Blacks, a vast majority of which, originates from Surinam. If you want to gain an empirical knowledge of the Negro crime, take a flight to Amsterdam and go straight to the district of Belma, which is the area of the Surinam blacks. The trains from the Central station, heading towards the last stop of "Khein" and "Gaasperplas" will take you in that direction and you can disembark at the stop of Belma. Go there during the night and you will get mugged or even stabbed there, which will teach you a good lesson.

In your own Nazi Britain, many studies have proved the involvement of the blacks in criminal activities of all kinds. In one case, your Police Commissioner described the blacks in London as "Habitual Muggers" and he said that more than 80% muggings, which take place in London, are carried out by the Negroes. He nearly lost his job for these remarks.

2. As I understand it you use the term Churchill Cockroach to refer to us Britons, so by your racist terminology that is indeed what you would call me.

I am commencing to adhere to the point of opinion that, for one reason or the other, you appear to be fond of the remark of Churchill cockroach and would like to be addressed with this contemptous description.

If that is so, then from now on, I would refer to you as, a crawling and disease spreading Churchill cockroach. If you agree with it, let me know.

3. If your study on Ghandi is as detailed as your study on "most criminals are black" then it will probably not be a groundbreaking scholarly work, in fact it is more likely to be racist neo-nazi drivel. I shall withold judgement until I read it however.

Our campaign against Gandhi was less against Mahatma Gandhi, and more against Indira Gandhi, whose terrorist interference led to the eventual division of Pakistan and the subsequent emergence of Bangladesh in 1971. Our point of opinion is that "Why the Hindus complain about the assistance provided by Pakistan to the Kashmir Revolutionaries in Kashmir? After all, Indira Gandhi did exactly the same in East Pakistan in 1971".

The Hindus have no answer to this question, except for a chronic embarrassment illustrated all ove their faces.

We are describing the terrorism of Indira Gandhi, as Gandhi Terrorism, by which, many people wrongly think of the terrorism of Mahatma Gandhi. Our campaign is against Indira Gandhi and not against Mahatma Gandhi, but we are also looking for something against him and will find it in due course of time.

4. I am not in agreement with Pim Fortuyne, I am merely in disagreeement with your assertion that people in Holland hang around indignatly say ing "Pim Fortuyne" over and over again as some kind of protest against neo-nazis. It does not make any sense as a phrase, along with "Kennedy terrorism" or "Church cockroach" - it's just drivel that popped into your head and then you write it down, claim loads of people say it and then get all cross when people point out that actually you're the only one using these phrases.


Once again, if you have any money in your pocket, take a ferry to Hook van Holland and then take a train to Amsterdam and ask ANY foreigner, particularly the Moroccans about Pim Fortuyne and you will not find a single person, lending her/his support to Pim Fortuyne. We mix with the members of the Arabic community in Amsterdam and assist them with the best of our abilities in terms of finding them jobs, due to which, we have a clear insight into their minds, practises, ideas and sociological thinking.

We know the Moroccans very well and are fully aware of their mode of thinking. Pim Fortuyne IS an indignant expression against the Dutch Nazis and you dont want to accept it because you are a Nazi yourself, just like your Kilroy, who was reminiscently equivalent to Pim Fortuyne in his Nazi orientations.

5. You are very racist and, from the content and style of your posts, clearly at least slightly unhinged. Seek medical help.

If you utter this remark in front of my body builder husband, he will beat you up and turn you into a pulverized cockroach. This act will be called, Cockroach Bashing, which many of your English compatriots regularly receive here in Köln and also in Amsterdam. English beating is called, Cockroach Bashing.

Just last month, when we visited the German financial city of Frankfurt, my husband landed one punch on the teeth of your fellow English standing on the bus stop outside the Frankfut Central Station, and the man fell like a dead lizard --- just one punch. If you ever come to Germany, be careful, otherwise there would be many such powerful punches waiting for you and nobody would come forward to help you out of the merciless and ruthless Cockroach Bashing given to you.

Yorkshireman.

Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

[Details]

bizarre seeing racial elitists (and even religion elitists for that matter) throwing around the 'nazi' term.

[Liz Thompson]

I don't understand how people can call Holland and Amsterdam specifically any negative names. I travel to Amsterdam often and it is indeed my favorite city in the world.............freedom to enjoy and indulge!!!!

Love it...................

I would agree with your remarks to some extent. My husband and I, never had any problem in Holland. In actual fact, the night life in Amsterdam is so great that it is admired by many. Inspite of being muslims, my husband and I visit the superb cafes in Amsterdam, i.e. Ritz, L'Opera, Kroon on Rembrandtplein and enjoy our cola, tea or coffee there with great pleasure.

Bulldog cafe on Leidesplein also used to be a good place but not any more. The best cafe in Amsterdam is Kroon, which has plenty of seating capacity and a very friendly staff. Hardrock cafe on Max Euweplein, which is very close to Vondelpark, is much better than Bulldog. There is an English cafe, next to Bulldog on Leidsesplein, but it is a very dirty place and it stinks.

There are plenty of Irish cafes in Amsterdam also, especially, O'Reillys, Mulligans, Durty Nelly, Tara, Hoop, Tig Bara and many others. They are all very nice and good. Irish people, generally speaking are very nice, kind hearted and friendly people and we know of one such Irish in Amsterdam, who is running his organization, Irish Belfast Wins Freedom.

Next time when we see him, we may offer him our own large bureau in Amsterdam, which he can use for his revolutionary work. At the present moment, he is working from his house, which serves the purpose of his office also. We firmly believe in his Irish ideology that Northern Ireland is a part of Ireland and not of England. We wish him all the luck in his Belfast campaign.

Regarding Amsterdam and the Dutch, we see things differently because first of all, we only visit it from time to time and secondly, we have no need to look for the job there, which is denied to many foreigners. Many foreigners complain that the Dutch job centres deny them work and invent excuses to exclude them from the employment sector. This is the main reason, due to which many foreigners hold the Dutch people in disdain because of their personal experiences.

Visiting a country for a few days is different and taking up a residence and living there is entirely different.

If you live in Holland, where you have not paid your rent for several months and have little food in your house because of unemployment, which, the Dutch are determined to deny to you, then you will ultimately come to the same conclusion that the Dutch are anti foreigners.

Those who are economically privileged, see things differently and the economically deprived umemployed, living in Amsterdam see it differently.




Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

[yorkshireman]

Liz,

Several such studies have been carried out in Holland regarding the black crime, which assisted them to arrive at the ultimate conclusion that most of the crimes in Holland and particularly in Amsterdam, were committed by the Blacks, a vast majority of which, originates from Surinam. If you want to gain an empirical knowledge of the Negro crime, take a flight to Amsterdam and go straight to the district of Belma, which is the area of the Surinam blacks. The trains from the Central station, heading towards the last stop of "Khein" and "Gaasperplas" will take you in that direction and you can disembark at the stop of Belma. Go there during the night and you will get mugged or even stabbed there, which will teach you a good lesson. In your own Nazi Britain, many studies have proved the involvement of the blacks in criminal activities of all kinds. In one case, your Police Commissioner described the blacks in London as "Habitual Muggers" and he said that more than 80% muggings, which take place in London, are carried out by the Negroes. He nearly lost his job for these remarks.

As I say, any actual sources or just generalised statements about some rough areas where black people are in evidence? No? Thought not.

I am commencing to adhere to the point of opinion that, for one reason or the other, you appear to be fond of the remark of Churchill cockroach and would like to be addressed with this contemptous description.

If that is so, then from now on, I would refer to you as, a crawling and disease spreading Churchill cockroach. If you agree with it, let me know.

You can call me whatever you want, your childish labels only serve to act as a warning to others that you are both racist and a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Our campaign against Gandhi was less against Mahatma Gandhi, and more against Indira Gandhi, whose terrorist interference led to the eventual division of Pakistan and the subsequent emergence of Bangladesh in 1971. Our point of opinion is that "Why the Hindus complain about the assistance provided by Pakistan to the Kashmir Revolutionaries in Kashmir? After all, Indira Gandhi did exactly the same in East Pakistan in 1971".

The Hindus have no answer to this question, except for a chronic embarrassment illustrated all ove their faces.

We are describing the terrorism of Indira Gandhi, as Gandhi Terrorism, by which, many people wrongly think of the terrorism of Mahatma Gandhi. Our campaign is against Indira Gandhi and not against Mahatma Gandhi, but we are also looking for something against him and will find it in due course of time.

So you're pretty much gunning for Indira, but you'll try and find some stuff on Mahatma too? What a scholarly approach. I take it the following was written by your husbands - "The above superb article proves conclusively that India is a terrorist country and its terrorism is called "Gandhi Terrorism". State Terrorism is not the correct way of describing the Indian Terrorism. Gandhi Terrorism is a better terminology. Also dirty Hindus drink cows urine, so they are called " URINE HINDUS". Parvez Khan, Dr.Mohammed Hoffman, Wonderful Germany" (source - PakNews comments section - http://paknews.com/view_comments.php?talk_id=78980 )- is Dr Hoffman the astrophysicist and Parvez the guy who likes to punch foreigners at bus stops?

Once again, if you have any money in your pocket, take a ferry to Hook van Holland and then take a train to Amsterdam and ask ANY foreigner, particularly the Moroccans about Pim Fortuyne and you will not find a single person, lending her/his support to Pim Fortuyne. We mix with the members of the Arabic community in Amsterdam and assist them with the best of our abilities in terms of finding them jobs, due to which, we have a clear insight into their minds, practises, ideas and sociological thinking.

We know the Moroccans very well and are fully aware of their mode of thinking. Pim Fortuyne IS an indignant expression against the Dutch Nazis and you dont want to accept it because you are a Nazi yourself, just like your Kilroy, who was reminiscently equivalent to Pim Fortuyne in his Nazi orientations.

Give me an example of an interchange in which the phrase "Pim Fortuyne" is used indignantly by yout Moroccan chums please.

If you utter this remark in front of my body builder husband, he will beat you up and turn you into a pulverized cockroach. This act will be called, Cockroach Bashing, which many of your English compatriots regularly receive here in Köln and also in Amsterdam. English beating is called, Cockroach Bashing.

Just last month, when we visited the German financial city of Frankfurt, my husband landed one punch on the teeth of your fellow English standing on the bus stop outside the Frankfut Central Station, and the man fell like a dead lizard --- just one punch. If you ever come to Germany, be careful, otherwise there would be many such powerful punches waiting for you and nobody would come forward to help you out of the merciless and ruthless Cockroach Bashing given to you.

How many husbands do you have? Is the "bodybuilder husband" who gets off on punching foreigners at bus stops (in the UK this is the preserve of neo-Nazis and generally took the form of "paki bashing" - ei. assaulting people of Pakistani origin. As we're not keen on that sort of thing in Britain the practice has for the most part been stamped out by the citizenry and constabulary) the same as the "Astro Physicist husband" who enjoys pushing the boundaries of science?

Seriously Liz...see a doctor.

Cheers

Yorkshireman

[Liz Thompson]

English Bashing = Cockroach Bashing




My husband is an Astro Physicist and a body builder also, at the same time.

It is not difficult to comprehend that a Physics postgraduate can also be a body builder. All he has to do is to visit the local gym and after around a year, he is a body builder.

But you are quite unable to understand this basic point because you have a cockroach mind and just one act of cockroach bashing would turn you into a pulp. You want to be punched at, Cockroach ?????

Vacate Northern Ireland, before the Brave Irish Revolutionaries step on your occupying Cockroaches and turn them into a non-recognizable pulp.

Belfast wins freedom from the Cockroaches and sooner rather than later.



Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

[yorkshireman]

English Bashing = Cockroach Bashing


My husband is an Astro Physicist and a body builder also, at the same time.

It is not difficult to comprehend that a Physics postgraduate can also be a body builder. All he has to do is to visit the local gym and after around a year, he is a body builder.

But you are quite unable to understand this basic point because you have a cockroach mind and just one act of cockroach bashing would turn you into a pulp. You want to be punched at, Cockroach ?????

Vacate Northern Ireland, before the Brave Irish Revolutionaries step on your occupying Cockroaches and turn them into a non-recognizable pulp.

Belfast wins freedom from the Cockroaches and sooner rather than later.



Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

I have no difficulty in understanding that a phyicist may also be a body builder. I have, however, yet to hear of a physicist who gets his jollys by punching foreigners at bus stops. As I said, the **** who do that here are the neo-Nazis, a retarded bunch of morons if you ever saw one. So I do think that you're lying young elizabeth - a racist lying nazi with mental problems, and the evidence for that conclusion is your posts, both here and on other sites.

Catch you later looney

[Liz Thompson]

Churchill Psycho, a few kicks in your cockroach head will bring you back to sanity. You look like Churchill Cockroach and stink like a Churchill Cockroach.

Cockroach bashing is the only way to teach you a lesson.

[yorkshireman]

Churchill Psycho, a few kicks in your cockroach head will bring you back to sanity. You look like Churchill Cockroach and stink like a Churchill Cockroach.

Cockroach bashing is the only way to teach you a lesson.

The thing about threatening phyical violence on an internet forum is that a) you can't hit people on the internet you fool!!! and b) In a scenario where you managed to trace my address and fly over to blighty with your genius husband and your thug husband to deliver a good kicking, you have publically posted a threat so ensuring a lengthy sentance for premeditated assault is rather simple, much like your good self

[Liz Thompson]

If you look at yourself in the mirror, you will see a Churchill Cockroach and also a Churchill Psycho , just like your War Criminal Winston Churchill.

If you are fond of receiving merciless Cockroach Bahing, choose a neutral place, outside your Cockroach England. Amsterdam's Leidsesplein, would be a good place for this purpose, as there is a Cockroach Cafe (English Cafe) by the name of Skysports Cafe, at Leidsesplein, already. This Cockroach Cafe is adjacent to Bulldog pub, so you will find no difficulty in locating it.

You would receive a merciless Cockroach Bashing infront of your fellow Churchill Cockroaches, sitting outside the Cockroach Cafe. After receiving Cockroach Bashing from Shiraz, all your fellow Churchill Cockroaches will receive the same from Shiraz, Bobby Sands, Patrick and many others, who would all be delighted to find this golden opportunity of putting some of your compatriots in the nearby hospital. Dont forget to subscribe to an expensive Medical Insurance before arriving at Leidsesplein, otherwise NO ambulance would carry you to the hospital.



Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Germany
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

[yorkshireman]

If you look at yourself in the mirror, you will see a Churchill Cockroach and also a Churchill Psycho , just like your War Criminal Winston Churchill.

If you are fond of receiving merciless Cockroach Bahing, choose a neutral place, outside your Cockroach England. Amsterdam's Leidsesplein, would be a good place for this purpose, as there is a Cockroach Cafe (English Cafe) by the name of Skysports Cafe, at Leidsesplein, already. This Cockroach Cafe is adjacent to Bulldog pub, so you will find no difficulty in locating it.

You would receive a merciless Cockroach Bashing infront of your fellow Churchill Cockroaches, sitting outside the Cockroach Cafe. After receiving Cockroach Bashing from Shiraz, all your fellow Churchill Cockroaches will receive the same from Shiraz, Bobby Sands, Patrick and many others, who would all be delighted to find this golden opportunity of putting some of your compatriots in the nearby hospital. Dont forget to subscribe to an expensive Medical Insurance before arriving at Leidsesplein, otherwise NO ambulance would carry you to the hospital.



Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Germany
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

My dear girl, if you cast your eyes over the many posts in this forum one thing that will leap out at you is that despite containing a wide variety of people who have often quite different opinions on certain subjects and debate these matters in a sometimes robust and forthright manner no-one, appart from yourself, is trying to arrange fights with people. This is because it is a retarded thing to do.

PS. Bobby Sands is dead.

PPS. How many deputy chair's does your mother in laws loopy organisation need considering it's entire output is calling people made up names and then claiming that everyone partakes in your silliness?

Swiss Bureau of Investigative and
Freelance Journalists,

European Head Office
Köln Revolutionary Bureau
P.O. Box : 102023
50460 Köln --- Cologne
Deutschland
Republic of Germany

Dr. Parvez Khan & Dr. Gera Broren Khan,
GROUP CHAIRMAN,

- Dr. Gera Broren Khan ---------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Dr. Mohammed Hoffman ------------------------ Deputy Chair
- Zahida Hussain Hoffman ------------------------ Deputy Chair
- Shiraz Khan ----------------------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Elizabeth Thompson Khan --------------------- Deputy Chair
- Shaheen Khan -------------------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Emmanuella de la Croix ------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Dr. Franz Xavier Klasgen ------------------------ Deputy Chair
- Feroz Khan ------------------------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Doris Schneider Khan ---------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Ahmed McKenzie ---------------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Patrick Murphy -------------------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Julia Murphy ------------------------------------------ Deputy Chair
- Sukhvinder Singh ----------------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Juliet Noxville Singh ------------------------------- Deputy Chair
- Diljeet Singh Sahota ------------------------------ Deputy Chair
- Paramjeet Singh ------------------------------------ Deputy Chair

[Raven]

Hoffman...

Any relation to Michael Hoffman, the well-known nazi-sympathizer???

[Liz Thompson]

Come to the topic of arriving in Leidsesplein, Amsterdam and stop talking Cockroach Nonsense about our organization. If you are frightened of receiving Cockroach bashing, then just apologize and the matter will be settled.

Our organization is none of your concern, Churchill Cockroach .

Are you coming to Leidsesplein, Amsterdam ???? If you are, then bring your medical insurance certificate with you, Churchill Psycho.




Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Germany
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

[Liz Thompson]

Bobby Sands is alive and will retake the Irish Northern Ireland back from your Churchill Cockroaches in years to come, Churchill Psycho.

[yorkshireman]

Tut tut Elizabeth...it appears you're annoying your fellow Muslims all over the net....this entry from a British Muslim's blog is dated 2 days ago.

http://www.blogistan.co.uk/cgi-bin/b...#post260704-cc

Mon, 26 Jul 2004

Yet another missive from the bloomin' Continent

A few months ago I responded to a thread on the Yahoo forum al-Zawiya about why Winston Churchill was picked out as the greatest Brit ever (or something like that) in a BBC poll. I don't have much time for the man myself - he was a racist and he used chemical weapons on the Kurds when Saddam Hussain was very young or not even born, but he is best known for leading the country in the war against Hitler with his stirring speeches about fighting them on the beaches, etc. I very much doubt that we would have been over-run if it had not been for the old drunk, but the fact is that people often remember the face of an event rather than the people behind it.

My message found its way to a disturbed person, or group of disturbed people, going under various names and various slogans. The theme was always the same - Germany is wonderful, a "land of scientists", while Britain is a land of colonial thieves, "cockroaches" and "Nazis" like Churchill. I tried reasoning with "Elizabeth Thompson" by saying that I thought William Shakespeare would have been a better choice, but she insisted that Shakespeare was also a Nazi.

I eventually gave up on Thompson, but I have continued receiving emails from this idiot or these idiots, each of them praising "Wonderful Germany" (or in a couple of cases, "Flowery Holland") and cursing Britain, with disgusting aspersions against English women and accusations of being unhygenic, etc. On a couple of occasions the message was sent to a huge list of email addresses, including well-known journalists. Very often they have displayed over-florid English with a lack of fluency. The latest, which I was sent today, has none of the sexual stuff but is as idiotic and racist as ever. (Note: these idiots have been posting their tirades to various online forums including Pakistani and Islamic forums. The formula is always the same.)

From cockroach_britain2@yahoo.com.au Mon Jul 26 22:40:14 2004
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Subject: Mr. Wolfgang Munchau ---- We Love Germany
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Cockroach Britain
Wonderful Germany
Britain is now known as Cockroach Britain, because "Cockroach" is an insulting remark against the English people. It is also called, Nazi Britain.

Germany, on the other hand, is affectionately called, Wonderful Germany, because it is a wonderful country. We love Germany.
_______________________________

Mr. Wolfgang Munchau
Financial Times Deutschland
Stubbenhuk - 3
20459 Hamburg
Wonderful Germany
Land of Scientists --- Germany

[Details]

...
PPS. How many deputy chair's does your mother in laws loopy organisation need considering it's entire output is calling people made up names and then claiming that everyone partakes in your silliness?

...[/i]

lol its all about making the impotent feel potent.

[dour]

The thing about threatening phyical violence on an internet forum is that a) you can't hit people on the internet you fool!!! and b) In a scenario where you managed to trace my address and fly over to blighty with your genius husband and your thug husband to deliver a good kicking, you have publically posted a threat so ensuring a lengthy sentance for premeditated assault is rather simple, much like your good self

The thing is that people why threaten physical violent on internet forums are usually young and male Because of this I rather doubt the person is married or a female. Just my opinion.

[Liz Thompson]

We know this man very well. He is a Jew, who is masquerading as a Muslim and whose task is to spread propaganda against the islamic practises of all kind, while using an islamic name of Yusuf. But you believe him because he is your fellow Cockroach. There is every possibility that you and this Jew, is just one person writing under two different names.

This man's real name is M.J. Smith and he is a Jew.

M.J.Smith = Jew = Yorkshireman = Cockroach.

Now back to my earlier challenge. What is preventing you from taking a challenge from my husband and facing him in a public place ?????

You are sure to get a painful cockroach bashing, but then if you put on display an anti social behaviour, you are bound to get this cockroach bashing, for which the blame would only towards you and towards no one else.

Stop avoiding the topic of cockroach bashing, which you are going to get sooner rather than later.




Elizabeth Thompson Khan
Germany
Elizabeth_Thompson_Khan100@yahoo.com.au

[yorkshireman]

~~note to everyone else..I know, I know..I shouldn't encourage her but we all exhibit weakness at times ~~~

Liz,

Again, a few points if I may.

Regarding the gentleman who's blog I linked to, he does indeed go by the name of Yusuf Smith, as many converts to Islam take a new name when they do so. He is legally, according to his website, known as Matthew J Smith. Having had a brief look through his website and blog they both seem very positive Islamic sites and decidedly not what you assert. Further research suggests that he has bay'ah with Shaikh Nuh Ha Mim Keller, a noted American Shaikh. His parentage from what I can gather online is Anglo-Irish, which would tie in with his hair colour. None of this suggests that the gentleman is either of Jewish origin (not that it would matter in the least if he was) or in any way anything other than a decent Muslim. I therefore wonder what evidences you bring to back up your slander of the gentleman?

Secondly regarding me being he, the fact that he is a Muslim and I am not is the first giveaway that this assumption is erroneous. Second is that I am a Yorkshireman and he is from what I can gather a Londoner. Third is that if you read my posts and his weblog anyone with an ounce of sense would see that our views on a number of subjects are quiet drastically different.

Thirdly regarding your repeated kind offer to meet one of your husbands for a fight, I would reiterate the point I made previously that asking people for fights on the internet is retarded. Only the mentally deficicient do it. Therefore kind as your offer to waste time and money flying to Holland to have a fight with your, likely ficticious, astronaut/astrophyicist/astroturf hubby I will have to decline at this moment in time.

Kind regards

Yorkshireman

[Liz Thompson]

~~note to everyone else..I know, I know..I shouldn't encourage her but we all exhibit weakness at times ~~~


None of this suggests that the gentleman is either of Jewish origin.

His Jewish origin would be of no concern to anybody, provided he has truly converted to the message of islam. If he has, good, but if he is only using the islamic name of Yusuf to spread propaganda against islam on many issues, he should refrain from it. In Germany, there were several examples of Germans growing beards, which helped them to resemble the muslims, which then facilitated them to spread lies against Islam, while using the cover of an islamic name, islamic dress and beard. MJ Smith may very well be one of those non muslims, masquerading as muslims.

Secondly regarding me being he, the fact that he is a Muslim and I am not is the first giveaway that this assumption is erroneous. Second is that I am a Yorkshireman and he is from what I can gather a Londoner. Third is that if you read my posts and his weblog anyone with an ounce of sense would see that our views on a number of subjects are quiet drastically different.

There is every possibility that you are his non islamic mouthpiece on this board. I believe that you and MJ Smith are the same people. We will see if we can find some further information regarding this man Smith from our highly reliable London contacts.

Thirdly regarding your repeated kind offer to meet one of your husbands for a fight, I would reiterate the point I made previously that asking people for fights on the internet is retarded. Only the mentally deficicient do it. Therefore kind as your offer to waste time and money flying to Holland to have a fight with your, likely ficticious, astronaut/astrophyicist/astroturf hubby I will have to decline at this moment in time.

If you just say that you are frightened and dont want to come forward, because your hands and legs are securely chained in the psychiatric clinic , where you live, the matter will come to an immedaite end.

Yorkshireman

[yorkshireman]

Liz, please learn to use the quote function like everyone else as when you post like that it involves a load of cut and pasting to reply.